Suggestion: Delete Arena of Chaos

[Anxiety 57]

This has been a topic on multiple occations but now it has just reached a ridiculous level of impact. For those that do not know what the differance between Arena of Chaos and Arena of Discipline is, the Chaos one rewards x1 Arena of Glory ticket for the first and second place resulting in x2 more Arena of Glory entries when compared to someone that does not go 7x per week; it does also scale in terms of GP reward with the amount of players rewarind up to 112 GP for a win compared to the 72 for Arena of Discipline. So what is the issue? People that queue and eventually get entry and then manages to get first or second place deserves it no? The answer to this is yes, however geting entry is not that easy.

 

The picture below is from when i used to do Arena of Chaos with the average waiting time of 1-13h for entry and that was while doing things like clicking the arena gate at 13:59 and keep the client alive til 18:00 so people did not see me applying, entering instances while in queue with the sole purpose of masking being in queue, waiting for people from legions such as OH LA LA / lowlowlowlowlowlow / DayZ to apply with friends and/or alts and more ways or just wait 10h some days. Today however the arena has turned into certain people having 50+ chars/alts ready to open the arena for their friends or themselves. 

 

 

The situation depending on faction is a bit different but on elyos, around 25-30% of top 30 ranks are doing this resulting in an impossibility for the average player to play for rank leading to among other things players not caring about doing any kind of gp content (1v1, 3v3, 6v6, 12v12, 24v24) because why care about getting GP if you can't compete with 25-30% of top 30 ranks? In short this is ruining a whole faction with nondirect consequences such as asmodian players having about 0% chance to get active enemies in most of the pvp content. So the suggestion is simple, delete Arena of Chaos or at the very least delete the Arena of Glory ticket reward and reset the gp of the people having done this.

Below are some of many examples:

 

Edited October 27, 2025 by Anxiety

[Ghost 65]

Good day. Thank you for your suggestion.

[Patoxx 1]

Hello all, i think's thats the good moment for post all video and screen of people trade so much and take big position in rank on Elyos side
Video : 

 

Thats for the video

Don't forget some people create a group discord for apply with friends, Some screenshot of coversation :

[Yukimichan 7]

On 27.10.2025 at 10:11 AM, Anxiety said:

The situation depending on faction is a bit different but on elyos, around 25-30% of top 30 ranks are doing this resulting in an impossibility for the average player to play for rank leading to among other things players not caring about doing any kind of gp content (1v1, 3v3, 6v6, 12v12, 24v24) because why care about getting GP if you can't compete with 25-30% of top 30 ranks? In short this is ruining a whole faction with nondirect consequences such as asmodian players having about 0% chance to get active enemies in most of the pvp content. So the suggestion is simple, delete Arena of Chaos or at the very least delete the Arena of Glory ticket reward and reset the gp of the people having done this.

I wouldn't say that chaos is the reason why people are demotivated to fight on the Asmo side. The problem is more that many Elyos have sold or frozen their accounts and bought into the Asmo side, and that on Asmo there are only Gladiators and Gunners left, which isn't the case on Elyos. Elyos still play Rangers, Bards, etc., and that's more the reason why Elyos don't want to fight against Asmo groups, because it's a 100% loss.


Sure, you can remove Chaos from the game to minimize access to Glory Tickets, but there are much more important things, like banning users of Octopus or Razer Synapse, or banning purchased accounts, which isn't even difficult because who changes their email address for an account? Let's be honest, nobody would do that unless the account was purchased. I'm not saying Chaos isn't the problem, but the imbalance between the factions doesn't stem from Chaos, but from the points mentioned above.

 

ADDENDUM

And I'm not talking about being able to switch gear with Razer Synapse, but rather the ability to use it for slideshot macros and the much worse no-animation macros, which allow Aethertech to give someone a 4x covered silence in 0.6 seconds. These are things that shouldn't be tolerated; they have nothing to do with skill or being able to counter them. I think these are things that divide the community and reduce interest in PvP, because in PvE these macros offer hardly any advantage, as they just unnecessarily drain your skills.

Edited October 29, 2025 by Yukimichan

[Ravenn 3]

Ok Yukimichan but why do you change topic? It's not about banning something else but tweaking Arena of Chaos to the point that people will stop asking people to AFK on their arenas to get free glory tickets. Or log their own alts to AFK on them on different PC to get free glory tickets. It's ridicolous even looking on these screenshots and this matter should be addressed as fast as possible.

[Yukimichan 7]

46 minutes ago, Ravenn said:

Ok Yukimichan but why do you change topic? It's not about banning something else but tweaking Arena of Chaos to the point that people will stop asking people to AFK on their arenas to get free glory tickets. Or log their own alts to AFK on them on different PC to get free glory tickets. It's ridicolous even looking on these screenshots and this matter should be addressed as fast as possible.

Sure, that's a problem, but it's nowhere near as important as what I was talking about. Because where did you get seven more glory tickets? That doesn't mean you've won. And I'm not saying Chaos should stay the way it is, but I don't agree with the point Anxi is making: the reason Chaos is that the Asmos don't have PvP in Dreds.

[Anxiety 57]

1 hour ago, Yukimichan said:

I wouldn't say that chaos is the reason why people are demotivated to fight on the Asmo side. The problem is more that many Elyos have sold or frozen their accounts and bought into the Asmo side, and that on Asmo there are only Gladiators and Gunners left, which isn't the case on Elyos. Elyos still play Rangers, Bards, etc., and that's more the reason why Elyos don't want to fight against Asmo groups, because it's a 100% loss.


Sure, you can remove Chaos from the game to minimize access to Glory Tickets, but there are much more important things, like banning users of Octopus or Razer Synapse, or banning purchased accounts, which isn't even difficult because who changes their email address for an account? Let's be honest, nobody would do that unless the account was purchased. I'm not saying Chaos isn't the problem, but the imbalance between the factions doesn't stem from Chaos, but from the points mentioned above.

 

ADDENDUM

And I'm not talking about being able to switch gear with Razer Synapse, but rather the ability to use it for slideshot macros and the much worse no-animation macros, which allow Aethertech to give someone a 4x covered silence in 0.6 seconds. These are things that shouldn't be tolerated; they have nothing to do with skill or being able to counter them. I think these are things that divide the community and reduce interest in PvP, because in PvE these macros offer hardly any advantage, as they just unnecessarily drain your skills.

It's literally impossible to adress all the factors leading to current situations which is why you wont find a statement that chaos is the sole reason but you will neither keep people motivated to do pvp/gp rewarding content or for that matter attract new players ass soon as it is discovered that you have more or less a 0% chance to actually rank up on elyos atm. The rank 11 and 13 are only rank 11 and 13 due to people having wintraded arenas. There are more pressing issues and you will find some of them adressed in my other forum posts such as the one about class balance and godstone nerf. But this post is about Arena of Chaos and the issues it brings so it would only be confusing to bring in other things. 

Also the whole octopus thing is tricky, I have already gotten banned from a different servers discord for trying to adress it because it is more complicated than the average cheat program as it's not visible in the packets sent/recieved so it is better to be left as a standalone issue to not miss any details rather than be slightly mentioned as a contributing factor since majority of people do not know how it works. 

So this will stick to the issues that Arena of Chaos brings even if the end result may or may not have multiple dimensions and contributing factors of complexity. 

Edited October 29, 2025 by Anxiety

[Yukimichan 7]

27 minutes ago, Anxiety said:

It's literally impossible to adress all the factors leading to current situations which is why you wont find a statement that chaos is the sole reason but you will neither keep people motivated to do pvp/gp rewarding content or for that matter attract new players ass soon as it is discovered that you have more or less a 0% chance to actually rank up on elyos atm. The rank 11 and 13 are only rank 11 and 13 due to people having wintraded arenas. There are more pressing issues and you will find some of them adressed in my other forum posts such as the one about class balance and godstone nerf. But this post is about Arena of Chaos and the issues it brings so it would only be confusing to bring in other things. 

Also the whole octopus thing is tricky, I have already gotten banned from a different servers discord for trying to adress it because it is more complicated than the average cheat program as it's not visible in the packets sent/recieved so it is better to be left as a standalone issue to not miss any details rather than be slightly mentioned as a contributing factor since majority of people do not know how it works. 

So this will stick to the issues that Arena of Chaos brings even if the end result may or may not have multiple dimensions and contributing factors of complexity. 

I completely agree with you, but nobody wants to fight against groups of full +5 gladiator gunners. I'm also one of those people who constantly play new characters because I don't want to play the same one all the time, and that's why I also avoid chaotic PvP in Dred as much as possible. Chaos is definitely a problem that shouldn't be ignored, but maybe we should also consider why people choose Chaos, and the main reason is that people leave the solo arena so they don't lose any points in the website ranking.

[Anxiety 57]

1 minute ago, Yukimichan said:

I completely agree with you, but nobody wants to fight against groups of full +5 gladiator gunners. I'm also one of those people who constantly play new characters because I don't want to play the same one all the time, and that's why I also avoid chaotic PvP in Dred as much as possible. Chaos is definitely a problem that shouldn't be ignored, but maybe we should also consider why people choose Chaos, and the main reason is that people leave the solo arena so they don't lose any points in the website ranking.

The whole group pvp thing i won't adress because it's not relevant within the scope of this. 

For the other part, you can rationalize everything if you try hard enough but if the outcome is on the expense of everyone else then it is wrong. If these players opened Arena of Chaos in the normal way instead of doing it with the sole purpose of wintrading it would be different which is what the first part of the post is about. The issue is not people doing Arena of Chaos which is why you can find that just going normally excempts the player from causing problem. The issue is people having 50+ chars they use to gain GP and for that matter also website ranking for rewards. Which leads to things such as destroying a whole factions rank. People leaving against someone in 1v1 is not an excuse to ruin a whole faction, gain an unfair advantage in terms of GP income and on top of that gain an undeserved rank on a different rank ladder. This logic is just trying to excuse the behaviour while overlooking all the consequences it brings because of a different problem. But one problem does not excuse another. 

[Yukimichan 7]

9 minutes ago, Anxiety said:

The whole group pvp thing i won't adress because it's not relevant within the scope of this. 

For the other part, you can rationalize everything if you try hard enough but if the outcome is on the expense of everyone else then it is wrong. If these players opened Arena of Chaos in the normal way instead of doing it with the sole purpose of wintrading it would be different which is what the first part of the post is about. The issue is not people doing Arena of Chaos which is why you can find that just going normally excempts the player from causing problem. The issue is people having 50+ chars they use to gain GP and for that matter also website ranking for rewards. Which leads to things such as destroying a whole factions rank. People leaving against someone in 1v1 is not an excuse to ruin a whole faction, gain an unfair advantage in terms of GP income and on top of that gain an undeserved rank on a different rank ladder. This logic is just trying to excuse the behaviour while overlooking all the consequences it brings because of a different problem. But one problem does not excuse another. 

As long as Chaos is used, but the solo arena ticket isn't used, nobody will go Chaos. In the past, the Asmodian Chinese players collected the Chaos rewards from the website month after month for years. Then Pifpaf started playing along to get first place, and now others have started doing what Pifpaf obviously can't do anymore. The Chaos Arena has never been made normal, which is perfectly understandable because Gladiators, Aethertechs, and Gunners have a maximum advantage there. Of course, that doesn't give anyone the right to abuse the arena like that, so I'm in favor of either completely disabling the arena or perhaps trying to revive it with a third ticket so that people play it normally.

[Anxiety 57]

1 minute ago, Yukimichan said:

As long as Chaos is used, but the solo arena ticket isn't used, nobody will go Chaos. In the past, the Asmodian Chinese players collected the Chaos rewards from the website month after month for years. Then Pifpaf started playing along to get first place, and now others have started doing what Pifpaf obviously can't do anymore. The Chaos Arena has never been made normal, which is perfectly understandable because Gladiators, Aethertechs, and Gunners have a maximum advantage there. Of course, that doesn't give anyone the right to abuse the arena like that, so I'm in favor of either completely disabling the arena or perhaps trying to revive it with a third ticket so that people play it normally.

No, it has to be changed so it does not give an Arena of Glory ticket or be set to give nothing at all because as mentioned above. Something like 25-30% / 6-8 players of elyos top 30 are or have abused it. Adding +1 Arena of Glory ticket will just give more incentive to do this. A few years ago i recommended to x-person to change the rewards to give medals instead of GP and Arena of Glory tickets. The Chaos Arena would then be a source of gearing for primarly new players which is more fitting since the pve component reduces the gear impact in it. But regardless this can't go on, previous years there has been an extremely tiny minority abusing this and while it is wrong that the top rank/governor rank is beyond reach if the player holding it are doing it like in the case of Pifpafpuf it's not on the same scale. Cause the calculation is quite simple, I would probably go for top 30 for the supplements and idians but I won't because the top 30 is really top 25 at best like this. 

[Yukimichan 7]

6 minutes ago, Anxiety said:

No, it has to be changed so it does not give an Arena of Glory ticket or be set to give nothing at all because as mentioned above. Something like 25-30% / 6-8 players of elyos top 30 are or have abused it. Adding +1 Arena of Glory ticket will just give more incentive to do this. A few years ago i recommended to x-person to change the rewards to give medals instead of GP and Arena of Glory tickets. The Chaos Arena would then be a source of gearing for primarly new players which is more fitting since the pve component reduces the gear impact in it. But regardless this can't go on, previous years there has been an extremely tiny minority abusing this and while it is wrong that the top rank/governor rank is beyond reach if the player holding it are doing it like in the case of Pifpafpuf it's not on the same scale. Cause the calculation is quite simple, I would probably go for top 30 for the supplements and idians but I won't because the top 30 is really top 25 at best like this. 

The thing is, if you remove the glory ticket, the Chaos Arena is dead. People will only use it for the website ranking, and then they'll register with alts again, just to be in the top 3. And the title from the reward is already incredibly strong, so I would prefer to deactivate the arena and bring it back reworked so that it no longer requires the solo ticket.

[Anxiety 57]

On 2025-10-29 at 12:34 PM, Yukimichan said:

The thing is, if you remove the glory ticket, the Chaos Arena is dead. People will only use it for the website ranking, and then they'll register with alts again, just to be in the top 3. And the title from the reward is already incredibly strong, so I would prefer to deactivate the arena and bring it back reworked so that it no longer requires the solo ticket.

It breaks terms and agreements/rules to do this kind of thing so if it is just upheld and players that are wintrading gets punished accordingly it shouldn't be such an issue. This should not have occured to begin with if the people administrating this server had done their jobs and upheld a certain standard of fairplay.

[Ravenn 3]

another chaos arena season and again these people are planting alts accounts. can u do something?

Edited November 1, 2025 by Ravenn

[Anxiety 57]

On 2025-10-27 at 3:24 PM, Ghost said:

Good day. Thank you for your suggestion.

Since this post has not been locked I am assuming that notifications are still coming. So I'll just point out that by doing nothing/allowing this breach, it is in fact encouraging players to replicate it and by doing nothing it will also give incentives for people to even the playing field sort of speak. Translates to that the issue will grow and breach will increase since players will feel compelled to do the same to stay competitive. It also borderlines on creating an "everything" goes attitude and if that happens then I might as well get governor on both factions by abusing the resources of being able to run 18 clients at the same time. 

[Dakewa 2]

54 минуты назад, Anxiety сказал:

Since this post has not been locked I am assuming that notifications are still coming. So I'll just point out that by doing nothing/allowing this breach, it is in fact encouraging players to replicate it and by doing nothing it will also give incentives for people to even the playing field sort of speak. Translates to that the issue will grow and breach will increase since players will feel compelled to do the same to stay competitive. It also borderlines on creating an "everything" goes attitude and if that happens then I might as well get governor on both factions by abusing the resources of being able to run 18 clients at the same time. 

U can create char named "zerados" and use alts too) if those people dont be banned we could use this tactic too... This is not the first time these people have used this tactic.

[Anxiety 57]

If the issue is to be expanded. This also creates a scenario where players that are trying to rank up/keep rank/get ap/medals/gp are forced to "win" everything and how do you win everything? You make sure you only fight people you are confident you will win against. Not because it's fun, interesting or remotely challenging; you do it because if you do not win everything you either have no chance at all or need to employ the same methods. So this issue not only demotivates people to actually play but if they do play it motivates previous described scenario. 

There is a threshold of how much of this can be tolerated and if crossed the rank and pvp content on this server turns into wintrade/alt kill or win all (dodge all you cant win and snipe the ones you are sure to win). 

[Ghost 65]

Dear players.

We will not delete or change the Arena of Chaos, as it works according to the game version. 

If you have any evidence of abuse this dungeon, please report it to our team via forum or ticket. 

[Anxiety 57]

46 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Dear players.

We will not delete or change the Arena of Chaos, as it works according to the game version. 

If you have any evidence of abuse this dungeon, please report it to our team via forum or ticket. 

So that means nothing considering it already went on for a whole month with almost whole trading instinct / victory instinct doing it for a month. You might as well tell people to just abuse it as long as they know how to get away with it which is quite simple since you can just teleport when it finishes through website or use a tp scroll the last 5s before it finishes. 

[Ghost 65]

Please send any proof of the arena abuse. 

[Anxiety 57]

3 minutes ago, Ghost said:

Please send any proof of the arena abuse. 

I am not going to spend another month removing a player that's doing this again like in the case of Madskillz. If the 15+ screens and videos are not enough then this server is a lost cause and it's time to migrate.

[Anxiety's cat 0]

That should be enough internet for you, you and your completely mentally funny arguments. Now be quiet and bring me my dinner.

Edited November 3, 2025 by Anxiety's cat

[Anxiety 57]

19 minutes ago, Anxiety's cat said:

That should be enough internet for you, you and your completely mentally funny arguments. Now be quiet and bring me my dinner.

So the worst person on the server decided to join in. Why don't you reply to patox instead and defend yourself?