About current and future events/features

[DevWolx 62]

I think it is wise to find some way to test content before deploying it to the public. If you can't afford having a test server, can you not run the same build of the server locally for testing ? Either that or communicate with the players to get feedback and also discuss between staff members. Because taking the current event as an example, the outcome was obvious as an instance for level 40+ looting for level 65, 12 chests, 5 times per day, and the other one 3 chests, 16 times per day. And the fact that people with multiple characters/accounts can run it. When you release something like this out in the open suddenly, players will just think that this is how the event is supposed to be and that the administration did testing and approval before the launch. You should always think ahead and carefully before deploying anything. Now after the change, people are just gonna run Steel Rose over and over again with reset scrolls. Also there's a chance that people will start taking all the chests in level 65 instances and not letting other people get theirs.

Some suggestions for the current event : 

1) Remove steel rose reset scrolls from shop temporarily for the remainder of the event.

2) Compensate by either raising the chance of the ice pick drop or add more chests. *the adding of chests is for Steel Rose, the ice pick drop chance can be general.

3) Make chests loot for everyone instead of being a unique item that one person could all take from himself. *for level 65 instances that requires group/alliance, you can decrease the number to one per person but everyone gets his chest not a unique loot.

I'm not saying THIS is what you should do. This is a discussion and other can add their own suggestions and ideas and we can reach an understanding on what's better and fair for everyone. Because saying that everyone have same conditions and that it's fair is not true since people can just buy reset scrolls and do steel rose infinitely. Before anyone could do the event since the only abuse is having multiple characters and that's basically the "fault" of the players for having only one character, not fair, not the same conditions, but understandable and it's okay. The right way would have been to decrease the number of chests on said instances that were removed. Now it's reset scrolls on the shop and that's not the fault of the players but the server and that's just seems totally not okay and p2w just like when people bought reset scrolls to get more serums, same story.

[Konoyaro 60]

+ for removing reset scrolls. With the event nerf this turned into a mildly pay to win one. People will just endlessly solo / duo it with reset scrolls, they might already doing it.

Edited July 13, 2020 by Konoyaro

[yujnx 20]

It wouldn't be a problem now if 50 level dungeons didn't drop boxes from the start. Recent events are simply like a race - if you're fast enough to ""abuse"" (how admins call that) it, you're good to go, if not = eat dust.

I farmed less than 30-40 picks simply because I was lazy. So, I made around 300kk (considering that i opened some boxes) but... that's it (and some made even less). Some people made 2bil and more, because they were farming like crazy with mains and alts.

Admins seem to think they can fix the problem by simply removing something from the event, when in reaility it shouldn't even be there in the first place. It doesn't work like that and I understand why people are mad now. It just creates a gap between players. Considering that it happens not for the first time it's just a big lul at this point.

Edited July 13, 2020 by yujnx

[Peter 2]

And to make things even worse they closed the thread. Let them atleast put their anger into words =)

I understand the step to do something, because it was ruining the economy. But in the same way that it wasn't thought thru what would happen with the drops beeing possible in those instances, just closing them for the event with no compensation isn't smart either.

I like the idea of DevWolx post !!!

 

Edited July 13, 2020 by Peter

[Admin 411]

22 часа назад, DevWolx сказал:

I think it is wise to find some way to test content before deploying it to the public. If you can't afford having a test server, can you not run the same build of the server locally for testing ? Either that or communicate with the players to get feedback and also discuss between staff members. Because taking the current event as an example, the outcome was obvious as an instance for level 40+ looting for level 65, 12 chests, 5 times per day, and the other one 3 chests, 16 times per day. And the fact that people with multiple characters/accounts can run it. When you release something like this out in the open suddenly, players will just think that this is how the event is supposed to be and that the administration did testing and approval before the launch. You should always think ahead and carefully before deploying anything. Now after the change, people are just gonna run Steel Rose over and over again with reset scrolls. Also there's a chance that people will start taking all the chests in level 65 instances and not letting other people get theirs.

Some suggestions for the current event : 

1) Remove steel rose reset scrolls from shop temporarily for the remainder of the event.

2) Compensate by either raising the chance of the ice pick drop or add more chests. *the adding of chests is for Steel Rose, the ice pick drop chance can be general.

3) Make chests loot for everyone instead of being a unique item that one person could all take from himself. *for level 65 instances that requires group/alliance, you can decrease the number to one per person but everyone gets his chest not a unique loot.

I'm not saying THIS is what you should do. This is a discussion and other can add their own suggestions and ideas and we can reach an understanding on what's better and fair for everyone. Because saying that everyone have same conditions and that it's fair is not true since people can just buy reset scrolls and do steel rose infinitely. Before anyone could do the event since the only abuse is having multiple characters and that's basically the "fault" of the players for having only one character, not fair, not the same conditions, but understandable and it's okay. The right way would have been to decrease the number of chests on said instances that were removed. Now it's reset scrolls on the shop and that's not the fault of the players but the server and that's just seems totally not okay and p2w just like when people bought reset scrolls to get more serums, same story.

Hello
We do have test server and use it constantly. It is very difficult to take into consideration every moment on the test. Without checking the changes by a big number of users, it is almost impossible to pay attention to every detail. This time we didn't consider obtaining loot in the low level dungeons by 65 players, due to the growth quests. The problem was fixed as soon as it was noticed (no one even reported this before).
1. As a result of this we will get a new ton of outrage, as some players were able to get the scrolls and the others not (негодования, так как одни same situation was with shugo tomb. The scrolls were added on the requests of the players and further removed by their own requests again.)  It is impossible to please everyone! Existence of these scrolls in the shop is not an important thing for us. We will start a vote in discord  and take actions on the results.
2. Chances of dropping an ice pick were increased from the very beginning.
The standard chance is 10%, now it is 30%, it is 3 times higher. We will not increase it any more.
3. Unfortunately, there's no such opportunity. Initially it would be more adequate, but due to the technical points we can't do it.
Therefore there's different mount of event items in different dungeons, depending on the amount of players, needed to finish the instance. 

[Razoroses 6]

12 hours ago, Admin said:

2. Chances of dropping an ice pick were increased from the very beginning.
The standard chance is 10%, now it is 30%, it is 3 times higher. We will not increase it any more.
3. Unfortunately, there's no such opportunity. Initially it would be more adequate, but due to the technical points we can't do it.
Therefore there's different mount of event items in different dungeons, depending on the amount of players, needed to finish the instance. 

the problem is that now after you nerfed low lvl instances people have to pay real cash to reset the lvl 60+ steel rake in order to even try to do the event effectevly and even if u do spend money and run steel rake like a mad man  you might get wrong wings for your class  and like admins said they refuse to switch physical wings for magic wings for people so , was a greedy move on admins part to go from a free to play event everyone was doing to a pay2win event that only a few cash wales are spamming now and thats why alot of people left not becouse of wings or particular iteam but becouse of the move to got from free event to a paid one.

and dont say u can run steel rake 1 time for free. like lol out of 3 steel rake runs u lucky if u get 2 or 3 picks and took me over 400 picks to get wings and even then got the wrong ones... and admins wont exchange for right ones just have to keep gambling....

so yea alot of people left we struggle to even fill bastion allaince yestarday and almost zero people attended siege so not sure where this is going but clearly was a bad call and you mentioned oh but economy, is very clear economy is not you priority last event people stacked bilions and bilions in tempering stones and nobody said nothing and economy didnt die either yea tempering solutions droped in price but after event ended went right back up so whats the problem whith this one? gold godstones and lvl 130 enchants are like 30  to 50 % cheaper? so what after event ends going back to normal...

you know something thats not going back to normal the player base....

Edited July 15, 2020 by Razoroses

[Admin 411]

Profit from donation has never been a priority for us. We can easily remove all the category with reset scrolls from the game shop but most players won't like it. Don't make up this noncense, calling the event a p2w one. Event lasts more than 2 weeks and everyone can fully participate in it without any purchases.

The wings drop randomly, not for the class, on purpose. This is how it must be. Exchanges are out of question. Why should everyone get the TOP item from the event on compulsory basis? The chance of getting the wings is quite low, and it is logical.

Yesterday evening online was more than 2000 players. The game week was almost over and everyone has cool downs on the dungeons. It is not connected to the events.

I don't see similarity between your example about economy and server's reality. If we acted according to your logic the server wouldn't have existed for at least half a year now. We will not follow strange suggestions leading to the server death. If you find your suggestions right, this can be quite different. We look at the server from the administration's perspective and do everything so it will live maximally long. If you want everything at once, you need to play on a pvp server, here you won't see such things. Therefore the server works quite a long time, has high online and will continue its work. 

[connormacgunner 2]

4 часа назад, Admin сказал:

 

Yesterday evening online was more than 2000 players.  where you see 2000 players all of the population run at least x2 clients that means 500 ppl = 1000 online chars some with nice pcs can run even 10 ? you allow multiple clients = online players 2000 but in reallity they are just 200 or 300 , who have opened sed and 3 rd client on follow nice gameplay i see more and more ppl on follow with his 2 or 3d client ? why you encourage gamebraking exploits like this be like blizzard ban all multiboxing trash cuz this brake the entire game design 

 

[Razoroses 6]

3 hours ago, Admin said:

Profit from donation has never been a priority for us. We can easily remove all the category with reset scrolls from the game shop but most players won't like it. Don't make up this noncense, calling the event a p2w one. Event lasts more than 2 weeks and everyone can fully participate in it without any purchases.

 

if it is your main priority or not dosent matter becouse as of right now only way to participate in the event is to buy reset scrools and solo steel rake cargo over and over we just did lucky DR 6 people 6 boxes 1 box each 3 runs at end of 3 runs 3 boxes each we open it not 1 single person got 1 pick out of it... so realisticly only way to get ice picks consistently is to spam Steel rake cargo Group runs and do it Solo so u get 6 boxes and out of 6 boxes u might get 1 pick per run or 2

 and the problem whith wings is that is a especific iteam that gives over 50 Magic boost and after event is over there is no way to get them unless event returns or its added somewhere else so all players that didnt get it will always have disadvantage in stats and sure reset scrools for steel rake were already there so its not your fault however did land very well whith the nerf  maybe was coincidence probabaly dont blame you. but also dont forget reason why u have so many players on its becouse of multiboxing becouse during siege there was barelly 24 people in reshanta on asmo side so sayng that there are 2000 players active when we can barely fill 1 alliance for siege something is off...

also being player in a big legion and part of eb alliances and reshanta sieges i can see people leaving  and legions dissapering

in morheim not first time i run past someone that has over 15 gunners in follow mode farming to sell kinah sure you cant have eyes everywhere i understand not even on retail they had but looking at pure number of online players might be "deceiving"

 

Edited July 15, 2020 by Razoroses

[Admin 411]

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 where you see 2000 players all of the population run at least x2 clients that means 500 ppl = 1000 online chars some with nice pcs can run even 10 ? you allow multiple clients = online players 2000 but in reallity they are just 200 or 300 , who have opened sed and 3 rd client on follow nice gameplay i see more and more ppl on follow with his 2 or 3d client ? why you encourage gamebraking exploits like this be like blizzard ban all multiboxing trash cuz this brake the entire game design 

Do you know better than we do how many player play on the server? We can see full statistics, including IPs of the players.

Have you opened 3, 5 or 10 copies of the game? Anticheat doesn't let to start more than 2 game windows. And it is not used by that many players, as you tell.

Let everyone do their job. 

[Admin 411]

Rollback scrolls were removed from the store until the end of the event.